Tony Austin: “Thong Lane all my life”

I have lived in three of the four Cheney’s Cottages in Thong Lane all my life, they were originally built for Darnley Estate workers and later rented to workers at Cheney’s Farm. I originally lived in one of the cottages with my mum and dad. Dad moved away for about a year and when he came back we moved into one of the other cottages. When I got married in the 1950’s I was working at Cheney’s Farm and Mr Davies, who owned the cottages, gave me the biggest surprise of my life when he gave me one of the other cottages and so I started married life in my third one.

World War II

I was seven when war broke out but don’t have many memories of that time with regard to the woods as I wasn’t allowed out which is not a surprise with the war going on. One thing I do remember is that to go down Thong Lane, a pass was needed perhaps this was not just for security reasons but also for safety as one of the runways crossed Thong Lane. We had to go along the Shorne-Ifield Road, to go to school but no passes were needed for that road, nor were there any soldiers guarding the road.

The woods were full of military personnel, Army, Navy and Air Force living in Nissan Huts. They used to give us children food, including loaves of bread. I think they must have been in Thong as well or else I don’t know how I would have met them. One day a soldier picked me up and rubbed his prickly face on mine. I don’t know why he would have picked me up but it has always stuck in my mind.

My father was first of all joined the Home Guard and then the Auxillary Fire Service, which later became the National Fire Service. The uniform was dark blue with red piping. He used to go on fire watch, I don’t really know where but for some reason Higham comes to mind.

My then future wife to be was evacuated to Wales but I don’t remember any children being evacuated to Shorne. Of the Thong residents of that time only myself and Peter Beech are still there, we were childhood friends and joined the Shorne Scout Troop who had their hut on The Scammells.

We went into the woods (and still do) via the track that runs from almost opposite where I live in Thong Lane and comes out to ‘The Heath’ and this is where I remember The Crows Nest being.  On the way, there is a pond which we used to call Hayles pond as this was the farmers name.

Clay extraction

The only thing I really know about the clay extraction in the woods is that it was really noisy and was a 24 hours a day operation and that the clay was taken, by lorry, to Snodland. We used to walk around the edge of  the clay workings as there was no fence to keep us we would get a bit too close, and one day I got stuck up to my knees in the wet clay and as much as I struggled, I couldn’t get out, the suction was much to strong. I can remember as clear as anything crying ‘Butler (Barry Butler now lives in Cliffe) do you think I’ll ever get out’. In the end he had to go and get somebody to pull me out. I know that Reg Rootes father worked in the Clay Works but IU don’t know what his job was.

I went to Shorne School until I was 11 and then to the Technical College in Victoria Building in Gravesend. There were only 2 classes at Shorne School, one up to the age of 8 or 9 and the other up to the age of 11. The teachers were Miss Dyball and Miss Wise. The school had it’s own air raid shelter which had a concrete slab on top that was several inches thick.

I have always believed that the house Ben Parish lived in (The house is called Vanesta and is in Woodlands Lane) was a WW1 wooden hut but it has never been confirmed.

A couple of other things that come to mind, Mrs Waterman lived in the gate house to Laughing Waters (now The Inn on the Lake). My father was verger at Shorne church for 22 years. Mr Stickings who lived in the Gamekeepers house  was a relative of the landlord of The Rose and Crown. Shorne was a good place for tanning leather due to the springs that ran through the village and Tanyards Hill is so named because of this.

(As told to Trevor Bent in August 2010. )

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Ray Lucas: Shorne in the 1950s

At the time I used to go to Shorne Woods, all during the 1950’s, I lived in Taunton Vale, there were five of us that used to roam everywhere and the woods was one of our haunts. To get to the woods we would cut across the Warren, in Valley Drive and then the airfield, which is now Riverview Park Estate, this brought us to the footpath on the East side of Thong Lane, next to Cheyney’s Cottages and then take the footpath from this footpath which took us right up to where the clay extraction was taking place.

The whole area was like a ‘moonscape’, no vegetation of any sort, just a gigantic scar in the land. Although the extraction was in full swing at this time the number of men working there must have been really few as we rarely saw anybody at all. This was a good place to go ‘bird nesting’ for lapwings eggs as it was so open.

I remember the conveyor belt quite clearly, it was about a metre high and a metre wide, which was a convenient size for us to climb over. The conveyor belt was moved from time to time, I assume that this was so that it could be erected to where the extraction was taking place at the time. Strangely I don’t remember seeing the excavating taking place, or how the clay was transported to the conveyor. I can also recall the railway line but again not the engine or wagons that would have run on it. A friend of mine has the same thought but can remember the rail line going into a building.

In between where the visitor centre and the fishponds are, there was another pond, which is no longer there, that we used to go swimming in.

There was also a pond where we used to go fishing for carp. That had a brick sluice, from what Trevor has told me I think this is actually Randall Bottom pond, although we used to call it ‘The Secret Pond’. It always held water, which is why it had fish in it but one year it started drying up and we could see the carp swimming about and eventually stripped off and went in and caught some really big carp that we took home to eat, conservation wasn’t heard of back then so we thought nothing of it.

There is a pond, just north of the park that we also went fishing in, this belonged to Len Hales, the farmer and he would throw us out if he caught us there.

Being quite young at the time I didn’t really take too much notice of what was around us but one summer we built a wooden shelter in the middle of a massive Rhododendron, that were very prevalent in the park, we cut our way in so that we and our ‘hut’ couldn’t be seen. One day, while roaming round the clay works we went into the workman’s hut, there was nobody about as usual and ‘borrowed’ their pot bellied stove and took it back to our camp, we had it for quite a while before the workmen found our camp, took back their stove and burnt our hut down.

The head gamekeeper for the Darnley Estate in the 1950’s was Albert Court who lived in ‘The Mount’ in Ashenbank Wood, later on he was replaced by Tony Graves.

(As told to Trevor Bent in October 2010.)

 

 

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My Gran and my Mum

Emma Saxby was my mum.  She was born on the 5th May in the year 1883 at East Peckham, her mother was Elizabeth Saxby formerly Master.  Her father was William Saxby, a sweep.  When she was a child she lived in Laddingford, Yalding.  She had one brother called Percy.  She often spoke of him (although there were about nine of them altogether).

Gran and Percy

Getting back to Percy…one day he took a pellet gun and shot a duck on a pond and took it home for them to eat.  Gran said you could have shaved it, it was so thin.  The next day the police came and took poor Percy to spend a holiday in Borstal prison for a few weeks.  He was always up to pranks.  When he was about seven he would go into the Medway River on his way home from school.  Gran was really fed up with the worry of this so one day she waited in the bushes, sure enough along came Percy, off with all of his clothes and into the river.  So Gran took his clothes, found some stinging nettles and called him out.  She then made him run naked all through the village and every time he stopped she touched him with the nettles.  This put an end to his trips in the river.

One night they all went singing carols, when they went to the Baker’s shop he was very kind and said if you sing well I will give you five shillings, which he did.  They came away right pleased with themselves.  When they got along the road Percy said ‘look what I’ve got for us to share’ he had pinched a large loaf of bread on his way out.  They didn’t tell Gran, they had eaten it before they got home.

My gran was a little person but you never spoke out of turn to her. I only ever saw her with a large black hat on at all times.  I often wondered if she kept it on at night.  She had a long black dress and button up boots.  I never saw her arms or legs, bare I mean.  Her little cottage was lovely.  There was a small hump bridge over the stream to go into her garden.  I suppose it was more a large ditch.  Her house was covered in passion flowers she used to tell me the story of how it came to be called the ‘passion’.   The flower with the crown of thorns on Jesus’s head, three nails where they put him on the cross and the disciples who were with him when he died.  I thought Gran was very clever.  She used to take medicine, everyone those days came in a little bottle, it looked like red water.   She said to me it tastes like poison. I would be very clever and say ‘have you ever tasted poison Gran’ she would say ‘no my girl but it couldn’t taste worse’, so once again I was put back in my place.

Her lavatory was right down the bottom of her garden, it was a small tin shed with a large hole under a very old wooden seat, the nail on the wall had newspaper cut into squares for use.   When it rained it was so loud on the roof if you didn’t need the toilet before you certainly would then.

There were lots of wild kittens, you could never catch them, they would spit at you but they were very pretty.  There was one shop in the village that sold everything, it was called Brenchly’s.  I never went into it I never saw my Gran go in either. Money was short in those days.

Getting back to Percy, when he was about sixteen years old and getting pretty cocky about himself, he went out in the evening and would come home late.  Mind you the lanes were very dark and very lonely.  He would never be home on time eight o’clock, it was winter so it was cold and dark.  One night Gran was so worried and mad he was very late, so Gran went to look for him.  She put a white sheet on and thought ‘I’ll give him the fright of his life, he will be glad to get home on time’. She hid in the hedge until he came along, he would whistle to make out he wasn’t afraid of the dark.  Just as Gran saw him coming she put the sheet over her head, arms outstretched and did an awful moaning sound.  Percy did no more, he pulled a stick from the hedge which was a bit of an old fence and hit Gran over the head and ran home for his life.  When he got home the others, who were waiting eagerly to find out what happened, said ‘have you seen mum’, ‘blimey no’ he said ‘I’ve just hit someone over the crust’ (which he called head).   When they all went out poor Gran was knocked out cold. I think they were both sorry but Percy stayed home after that until he was really grown up.   Mind you I think he had to change his trousers when he got over the fright of it all.

My Gran had been married twice, her first name was Waghorne and then she married a man called Saxby.  We were never allowed to ask anything grown up.  Before Gran went to bed every night she lay the table with all the things for breakfast, cups would be placed upside down on saucers and a white cloth placed of the top of it all.  She would be up at daylight the next morning.  She would never kiss us or even give us a hug.  I was mostly afraid of her.  We would just have to sit on a chair and be quiet.  I cannot remember Granddad at all.

My Mum

On October 14th 1905 my mum was married. She was aged twenty two and called herself Emily, she did this because everyone had always called her Emily. It was later discovered that she had been Christened Emma. She married John Norton who was twenty five, his father was Thomas Norton.  Mum’s father was William Saxby.  Richard Norton (Thomas Norton’s brother) was Best Man.  Charlotte Norton (Richard’s wife) was also there.  They were married in the church in the parish of Yalding and lived in Collier Street, Yalding for the first part of their married life.

Now I will go back to when my mum was fourteen years old, in those days you did what you were told, there was no asking about anything.  So on leaving school mum went into what they called ‘Service’, which really meant you were a lackey for any job they liked to give you.  It didn’t matter how far away your work was you had to walk there.

Mum was sent to a very large house, it was a very old rambling place and mum had to sleep very high up in an old attic, one other girl, a bit older than mum slept with her.  Very late and very tired that first night up to bed they go.  The other girl said to mum whatever you do, DON’T GO TO SLEEP, mum was dead on her feet, what with the long walk to get to this house then the scrubbing and cleaning all day, she said ‘but I’m very tired’.  ‘Well if you do, they will bury you alive’.  Mum didn’t believe her, but at the same time she wasn’t going to chance it, so the girl said I will take you out early in the morning and prove it to you.  So sure enough early next morning off they go before anyone was about.  They went down the lane into the very old church yard.  Mum could not believe her eyes because sure enough on every tombstone was ‘so and so fell asleep on such and such date.  Not just one but all of them. ‘Told you so’ the girl said.  I think mum thought ‘well I can’t go home or I will be joining them’.  Anyway she stayed there for a few years.

When she left there she worked at the King and Queen pub, which by the way is still there.  She did housework or whatever was needed.  It has got a big window overlooking the street mum said they used to call out to the boys going by.  Then she met John Norton, she would tell me how they walked everywhere, he would catch her when she jumped over the ditches to go across fields.  On Sundays she would meet the landlady of the Chequers pub in Laddingford, they would put on very ‘posh’ hats and go in her horse and buggy to chapel.  Her name was Mrs Burton.  They wore large hats with tulle netting tied under their chins.  Mum really loved it.  The pub is still there.  I will tell you more about that later.

The Chequers, Laddingford

Now getting back to Collier Street, mum lived there quite a few years.   Soon after getting married she had a baby girl named Doris, followed by Gertrude, then Frederick, then Violet, followed by Lillian.  Times were very lean.  Her husband started to get very bad headaches.  There was a very bad epidemic of diphtheria, everyone was losing children, some as many as five in one family.  Anyway Doris became very ill and everyone thought it was diphtheria, but after she died they found it was toadstool poisoning, her little friend died on the same day, they must have eaten them on the way to school, but with so many ill with diphtheria they just presumed it was that.  I suppose they didn’t bother too much in those days, it was nothing when children died.  Nearly everyone had lost one or two in the family.  When you look in the church yard those that could afford headstones you can see just how bad it was. Poor mum it must have been heart breaking.

Soon after Lil was born mum’s dear husband John died.  He had meningitis.  Now she has those children to bring up with no money and no help.  On the day of the funeral Gert and Fred wearing very large armbands had to walk from their house to the church yard, they had to walk very slowly behind mum who wore black ‘widows weeds’, which was black stockings and shoes a large black hat with a very large veil that covered her face and hung all over her shoulders.  Gert was told to hold Fred’s hand very tight.  The coffin was placed on a cart and the cart had rubber wheels, so the only sound was the black horse’s hooves.   By the way, before they left the house they had to go to see their Dad in his coffin to say goodbye.  There was a big jar of lilies in the room to help with the smell, this was tradition.  Curtains were drawn and a lighted lamp left on the table to ward off any evil.   Mum must have been very brave.

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Fort Amherst digging opportunities

We heard from Karen and Keith at Fort Amherst/the Command of the Heights project. Keith Gulvin, who is a trustee at Fort Amherst, has secured funding for equipment for an archaeological group. This means a group of volunteers could continue with digs around the Fort.

If you would like to join this group please contact Andrew (andrew.mayfield@kent.gov.uk) or Karen (karen.francis@medway.gov.uk) for more details.

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Quick update

There is no gathering at Shorne Woods this Thursday (31st May) but next week, we hope to start our project at Owletts…fingers crossed. First stage will be a metal detector survey alongside geophys.

Followed by excavations in July, fingers tightly crossed!

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