Alan Driscoll: memories of Shorne

Although I lived in Shorne from 1956 to 1987 my memories are more related to my teenage years when I was a member of the Air Cadets and later an apprentice carpenter.

In 1956 I bought two plots of land, next to Gothic Cottages on Shorne Ridgeway, for £200.00 each. I built a chalet bungalow and named it ‘CRECA’, on one plot and sold the other. I later moved to ‘Homemead’, 10 The Street and lived there until I moved in 1987.

Air Cadets

My first memories of Shorne are from when I was an air cadet when I was 15, in 1943. We spent the summer weekends and holidays living in the chalk pit in Thong Lane. We went down into it by the stairs that had been cut into the chalk; at the bottom were three tunnels that we lived in. We had to cycle to Ashenbabnk RAF camp three times a day for our meals, which we had in their canteen.

Our main duty for this time was to keep the aircraft clean and free from oil and grease after they had returned to the airfield. I remember on one occasion that a Typhoon’s radiator had straw and grass around it’s radiator that we had to clean it out. The airfield was quite busy with planes coming in for re-fuelling and servicing.

I had my first flight in an aircraft during this time, one day one of the pilots asked us if we would like a flight, being young lads we all shot our hands in the air. He couldn’t take us all but four of us went up in an Airspeed Oxford, which was used for pilot training, two sitting and two standing. We were too excited to be scared; there was no regard for health and safety in those days.

Another thing that we did was plane spotting, we went into the control tower and looked for planes through our binoculars (they weren’t our own binoculars, they belonged to the RAF). We had to identify the planes as they came in, to make sure that they were ours!

One of the most exciting things was that we were invited to go and watch films taken from the aircraft while they were in action, shooting other planes or dropping bombs.

There was a concrete pill box on the opposite side of the road that was manned by the RAF; although I never saw or heard any guns being fired. There was no real threat from the air by 1943 when we were there, I never heard a bomb drop or saw any dog fights during that summer.

There was a V1 that landed in Cheney’s Farm in Thong Lane, luckily it wasn’t a built up area and the only real damage was to two Oast Houses on the farm.

Most of the farms in the area that had flat open spaces had railway track fixed end on in the ground, with steel wire strung between them, that was to stop enemy gliders attempting to land. There must have been a shortage of railway track available as there were also old cars parked, that served the same purpose.

I remember seeing several radio masts in Shorne Woods but I think these must have been dismantled and taken away by the military when the war ended.

Apprentice carpenter

Later in the war I was an apprentice carpenter and helped repair Woodlands House in Woodlands Lane, Shorne. It had been very badly damaged by a V1 that had landed on an army hut on a piece of land behind the houses. There were blankets and all sorts of other debris in the surrounding trees. It was converted into five or six flats by the council, to help with the housing shortage but it was so badly damaged that after the war it was pulled down and another house built in its place.

Unfortunately I don’t have many memories of Shorne Woods from my time on The Ridgeway as I was mainly working or building my house and didn’t really go into the woods.

Cobham Hunt used to meet at Boghurst Cottage, which were two cottages with a room between where the hunt met.

Anderson’s wood yard was on a triangular piece of land opposite Sandpit cottages. One of the things they made was wooden fencing so were probably buying coppiced wood from Lord Darnley.

I don’t really have any memories of the clay works in Shorne Woods except for the wash mill where the clay was slurried and pumped along the A2 to the Tollgate (Northumberland Bottom); from there it was pumped to Bevan’s cement works at Northfleet.

Mandi Knight (Alan’s, daughter)

From about 1973 to 1979 we used to go into the woods to go swimming in the larger of the two lakes, we didn’t go into the smaller one as there was still some of the conveyor belt; that had been used during the clay extraction, in the lake; these are now the fishing lakes in the park.

There wasn’t much vegetation in the area; it had all been lost when the clay was extracted. Now though,you wouldn’t know that the clay extraction had taken place.

We used to climb over the piles of overburden that had been dumped by the lakes, it was very loose and gypsum crystals would be uncovered and we would pretend that we had found diamonds. I think that I may still have some of them hidden away somewhere.

*As told to Trevor Bent (a member of the Shorne Woods Heritage Group) in April 2015.

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Summer dig 2016

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Our Cobham Landscape Detective summer project will run from Saturday the 16th of July to Friday the 29th of July. This will focus on some of our initial discoveries from the LiDAR work we are undertaking, with details to follow.

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Cobham Landscape Detectives

Cobham Landscape Detectives Project wins Heritage Lottery Fund support

The history of Cobham will be unearthed and brought back to life with a three-year archaeology project. Kent County Council has secured a grant of £96,000 from the Heritage Lottery Fund for the project, Cobham Landscape Detectives.

It will be led by a community archaeologist in partnership with local volunteers. Activities will include:
• exploring the wooded landscape to identify ancient trees and hidden earthworks
• fieldwalking to look for archaeological finds that give a clue to past land use
• geophysical surveys to discover buried remains
• small-scale excavations to test detective work

The information gathered will help tell the story of the changing landscape from prehistory to the present day.

People of all ages and abilities are invited to get involved and become Cobham Landscape Detectives. The project will work with community, groups, local schools and the Kent branches of the Young Archaeologists Club.

Results will be presented to the public through a series of walks, talks, open days, on the web and through social media. A richly-illustrated final report will detail the findings. Kent County Council is well-known for running successful and engaging community archaeological projects.

Previous projects, including Shorne Woods Heritage Project and the Shorne HubCAP project, have worked with a wide range of volunteers, offering unique opportunities to explore the archaeology of a range of sites across west Kent.

KCC Cabinet Member for Environment and Transport Matthew Balfour said:

“This will be a great learning experience for the residents of Cobham as well as those taking part. In the past, people taking part have not only learnt important archaeological skills, but been able to talk about their new-found knowledge to the community at a wide range of events, involving thousands of people. The landscape around Cobham is a treasure trove of archaeological sites of all periods, from still standing prehistoric earthworks to buried Roman villas and from lost medieval manors to world war two camps”.

The Cobham Landscape Detectives project which is working in partnership with major land managers in the area such as the National Trust, Forestry Commission, Plantlife International and the Woodland Trust, will provide opportunities to explore these sites further and present the results to the public.

Stuart McLeod, head of HLF South East, said:

“From listed buildings and ancient monuments to 17th century woodland and literary connections, Cobham and the surrounding area has a rich and diverse heritage. Thanks to National Lottery players, this project provides a wonderful opportunity for people to delve into their local heritage and we’re delighted to award this grant so that the volunteers can begin their journey of discovery.”

Cross-post from Kent.gov.uk

 

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Nellie Dodd: memories of Cobham

Earlier life

I was born in the yard of the Pelican pub in Strood and was always told that a zeppelin going over brought on my mothers labour and hence my unexpected birth. My birth certificate confirms my place of birth.

My father was a regular soldier and consequently we moved around England in various army camps and ended up in Chatham where I worked for Shorts. I joined the army in 1938, following in my fathers footsteps and served until 1943 when, with the birth of my son I was discharged.

During the war I became a sergeant and my duties,  until  the  war ended, were  to  take rations, by lorry,  to the gun  sites all round Kent. The main distribution centre was at Southill RASC on the  Maidstone Road  in Chatham.

Nellie Dodd

“The photograph shows me in 1940, in my ATS uniform”

After I lost my husband, who was killed at Arnhem, I went to live with my parents in Leicester.

Moving to Cobham Woods

I really wanted to come back to Kent so went to stay with a friend in Wainscott. I re-married another soldier, Jo Dodd and applied for a council house, there were very few available but we were offered a place in a hut at what had previously been a WWII air force camp in Cobham Woods and moved in around 1947–48 eventually moving out in 1953. Our rent for the hut was 8 shillings a week, our rent for or brand new council house 23 shillings a week.

We didn’t really know what the accommodation was going to be like when we accepted the councils offer but all in all it turned out to be relatively comfortable. The worst aspect was that the washing and toilet facilities were in a separate block and shared by between 4 to 6 huts. We had to make a rota so that everybody knew when the facilities were available to them and we also all had to take our share of the cleaning duties.

The hut was completely empty, except for the range, when we arrived so we had to find our own furniture, we managed to buy most of ours from Whites storeroom, which was next to Wingetts, I was able to do this with some finacial help from my Dad.

There was electricity for heating  and one small electric plate to cook on but no gas. Most of the cooking had to be done on the wood burning range. We weren’t really supposed to collect wood, even though the site was in the woods.  Lord Darnley, the landowner, didn’t approve but we were lucky that the gamekeeper looked the other way when we went to collect some. A lot of the trees in the woods were Chestnut so in the autumn we were able to collect the chestnuts and cook them on top of the range.

The range had a water tank on the side so we had hot water when we needed it. This meant we could bring the tin bath in and have a bath in front of the heat from the range. This was very nice in the winter but in the summer we still had to have a fire if we wanted hot water.

Life on site

There were good roads round the whole site with pathways leading off  to each hut. The huts were of a wooden construction with the whole building, not just the roof,  covered with roofing felt. When you went into the hut there was a passage that went all the way through into one very large room, we put up our own partitions and divided the hut into two large and two small rooms, much more like a home. The internal walls were made of plasterboard and the décor was typical army, brown lino, dark brown paint on the bottom half of the wall with a light top half. Some of the huts were damp but we were lucky, No. 54, our hut, had no problems as we were on a slope which meant any rain water ran away down the slope.

Most people kept their huts nice and tidy and some people tried to make their own gardens but the rhododendrons were a problem, as not much would grow, so we just had a small rockery.

We would often hear deer crashing about at night but it was never a problem and once we knew what it was we got used to quite quickly.

There were big air raid shelters on the site and the children loved playing in them, the whole site being their playground for, nice and safe with not many cars around.

There was an hourly bus service from Halfpence Lane but I rarely used it as I rode my bike and took my son to nursery and later to school, in a seat on the back, and then cycled to work in Strood. Firstly at Goodworths Greengrocers and then at Wingetts, as a canteen cashier. Many times in the winter I had to walk when I couldn’t cycle because of the snow. One of the perks of the job was that I was given food and the cooks made up dinners for the weekend for me.

There was a general store on the site where we were able to buy most of  our basic provisions and the milkman came round with his horse and two wheel cart, we had to take our jugs out, there was no bottled milk available then.

The Re-housing committee

Dodd archive page 11 comp

We had a community room in one of the huts where we had weekly dances, everybody joined in bringing food for the evening, occasionally we had live music but usually it was records. The room was also used for meetings and also to meet with councilors to discuss our problems and when our re-housing would take place. There was one person, Farmer Lawrence, who was fantastic at meetings and would rattle the councilors when we needed repairs doing etc.

We all put a bit of money in and formed a site committee to buy a typewriter, stamps and stationery etc. so that we were able to write to different people to pressure them about our re-housing. We formed a committee with me and Jo, the Duffs and the Pearces and we became the driving force in our re-housing battles. One of the committee members, Mrs Sutton, our media correspondent, helped a great deal by ensuring that everything that happened was printed in the local papers

We were helped by Richard Ackland, the local MP, who took up our case in the Houses of Parliament and I’ve no doubt he helped in hurry things along.

My husband Jo oversaw everybody leaving the camp to be re-housed, there were 50 families all together.  Ten were re-housed in Gravesend, one in Northfleet and the rest in Higham. The last families to leave the camp were finally re-housed in 1954.

As told to Trevor Bent (a member of Shorne Woods Heritage Group) in March 2010. Laughing Waters was located on the site of the ‘Inn on the Lake’.

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LiDAR online

At SWAG we have a strong interest in all things LiDAR. If you feel the same way then you’ll want to take a look at the Open Data Maps website: http://enfarchsoc.org/opendata/

open maps data

Details about the site

  • OpenStreetMap is built by a community of mappers that contribute and maintain data about roads, trails, cafés, railway stations, and much more, all over the world
  • OpenStreetMap emphasizes local knowledge. Contributors use aerial imagery, GPS devices, and low-tech field maps to verify that OSM is accurate and up to date
  • OpenStreetMap’s community is diverse, passionate, and growing every day. Our contributors include enthusiast mappers, GIS professionals, engineers running the OSM servers, humanitarians mapping disaster-affected areas, and many more. To learn more about the community, see the user diaries, community blogs, and the OSM Foundation website
  • OpenStreetMap is open data: you are free to use it for any purpose as long as you credit OpenStreetMap and its contributors. If you alter or build upon the data in certain ways, you may distribute the result only under the same licence. See the Copyright and License page for details
  • Hosting is supported by the UCL VR Centre, Imperial College London and Bytemark Hosting, and other partners
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