YAC Archaeological Dig 2016

Young Archaeologists’ Club dig: Shorne Woods, 13 March 2016

On Sunday the 13th March 2016 a group of young enthusiastic archaeologists (YACs) conducted a dig on a demolished  WWII RAF Camp within the boundary of Shorne Country Park. One of the young members of the group found a model battleship (below).

Model battleship found March 2016

Originally we thought the model battleship was  of a Leander Class Cruiser but a friend’s son-in-law, who has a good knowledge of  Royal Navy Ships, pointed out the toy ship was in fact HMS Vanguard made by the Crescent Toy Company (below).

Crescent Toy Company’s HMS Vanguard

History of the HMS Vanguard

1Work on HMS Vanguard Fast Battleship’s design was begun before the start WWII in response to the possibility of the Royal Navy being outnumbered by a combined force of German and Japanese battleships.  Work on the ship started and stopped several times during the war and even after construction had begun, her design was revised several times to reflect war experience, notably the loss of the battleship Prince of Wales and battlecruiser Repulse as a result of being attacked by Japanese aircraft.

2When the war in Europe ended come May of 1945, the decision was made to complete her in case the war in the Pacific against the Empire of Japan dragged on. As such, Vanguard was launched in 1944 but not formally commissioned until August 9th, 1946. She was larger than the preceding King George V battleship – heavier, bigger and with greatly increased armament capability. The King George V-class of battleships each held 14-inch main guns and, with the development and use of 16-inch guns by the United States and Japanese navies, the King George V-class was suddenly viewed as under-armed. The British Admiralty looked at 16-inch guns but the time needed for development and manufacture of such new rifles made the decision mute.

Britain had a number of 15-inch guns available so it seemed the best fit for a new design with the war winding down in Europe. Many publications originally indicate the 15-inch guns were removed from HMS Courageous and HMS Glorious and that these vessels were then converted to aircraft carriers. However, the Admiralty kept strict documentation on each gun and new reviews have come to indicate the guns came from five battleships and one monitor: two from HMS Queen Elizabeth, two from the HMS Ramillies, one from HMS Royal Sovereign, one from HMS Resolution, one from the monitor HMS Erebus, and the last from the famous HMS Warspite.

The 15-inch guns were doubled across four turret emplacements, these held as two forward and two aft installations. The new Vanguard had 16 x 5.25-inch heavy secondary guns for close-in fighting, these situated as 8 x double mounts, four fitted to port side and four along the starboard. The Vanguard had the most anti-aircraft guns onboard than any other ship in the British Navy, counting 73 x 40mm Bofors type cannons. Despite this formidable array, the Vanguard would never fire her guns in anger throughout the remainder of the war.

1In 1947 the ship conveyed King George VI and his family on the Royal Tour of South Africa. She was due to take King George VI on a Royal Tour of Australia and New Zealand the following year (1948), but the tour was cancelled due to King George’s declining health.

Vanguard served as flagship to a number units she was attached to, included the Mediterranean Fleet and the Home Fleet Training Squadron.

HMS Vanguard c. 1947 (source: Wikipedia).

During a refit in 1955, the Admiralty announced that the ship was going to be put into reserve upon completion of the work. She was latter sold for scrap and was broken up beginning in 1960.

HMS Vanguard toy and the Crescent Toy Company

3The Crescent Toy Company was a British manufacturer  of die cast toys founded by Henry George Eagles and Arthur Schneider in 1922 and was located at 67, DeBeauvoir Crescent, Kingston Road, London.  As well as toy ships they manufactured lead (hollow cast) figures and animals, vehicles, toy guns, and later plastic figures and toy soldiers.

At some point in the 1930s, one of Henry’s brother, Arthur, joined the Company under the name of Mr. Harvey to avoid suspicion of nepotism and worked as a foreman in the lead casting shop.

It is understood that Arthur Schneider emigrated to America during the early part of the second world war due to connotations with his German surname.

Unfortunately Henry’s health deteriorated and he died in 1942. The running of the business was taken over by his brother Arthur (Mr Harvey) aided by Doris Eagles, one of Henry’s four children.

During the war years the company manufactured munitions’ parts. At the end of the war, Henry’s two sons, Harry and Ernie, who had served in the armed forces, joined the company along with their younger brother Frank and they together with their sister Doris, the Company Secretary held the controlling interest.

With an eye to the development grants, then available for industry to move to Wales, in 1949 the company  opened  a factory in Cwmcarn.

Discord between the families got rather bitter and ‘Mr. Harvey’ set up The Harvey Toy Company in Commerce Road, Wood Green, in the name given to him by his brother many years before.

4The Crescent Toy Company ceased trading in 1983. 5Research indicates that the toy battle ship was added to the Crescent Toy Companies’ range of toys soon after the ship was commissioned in 1946.

Footnotes

1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Vanguard_(23)

2 http://www.militaryfactory.com/ships/detail.asp?ship_id=HMS-Vanguard-23

3https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crescent_Toys

4 https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/49473/page/11929

5 http://waterline-ships.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=4&products_id=10167&zenid=bjim6ufc9g8p4046lbkh15nbm5

(Donald Blackburn, 10 April 2017)

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Cobham project in the local papers

We’ve recently had some publicity in the Gravesend Messenger:

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Pat Sandford: memories of the Darnley Estate

I lived in Ivymeath House, 284 Maidstone Road, Chatham from when I was born in 1928 until 1953.

Joining the Scouts

Peter Harvey, who was a scout master for the Mathematical School 2nd Medway Scouts, lived opposite us and as I went to that school I joined the scout troop in 1941; I can remember the date as Lord Baden Powell died about a month before I joined.

Mr Judd, who was a founder member of the scout troop used to come to the school every Thursday in his full scout uniform, including his campaign hat!

We went to Knights Place Farm for Whitsun scout camp every year and stayed in The Upper Floor of an Oast House that belonged to Mr Sedgwick, the farm owner. One of my memories is that it was quite cold!

Our camp fire, kitchen and dining shelter area were in a corner of the farm just outside the Darnley Estate fence. (See map below)

Adjacent to the Oast House was 4 acre field that sloped downwards, in a north westerly direction, to the edge of the Darnley Estate. There was an iron barred fence round the estate, we walked towards the fence and went onto the estate through a gate in the fence.

We had to pass an ‘Axemanship Test’, which was in two parts, 2nd & 1st class badge tests. The 2nd class was the use and safety of a knife and the 1st class was using a felling axe to cut up logs and fell any dead or diseased trees, for which the scoutmaster had to take us into the woods.

We were taken to see the ‘toe monument’ (this was a monument erected to mark the death of the 5th Earl of Darnley who died on the 11th February 1835 due to an accident with an axe) and told the story of how he died so that we were more aware of the dangers of using an axe and that septicaemia could kill you.

The local story is that the Earl was out in the woods and he saw one of the woodsmen using his axe in an unsafe manner and demanded his axe so that he could show him how it should be done, the result was that he chopped off his toe and died of tetanus four days later. Whether this is true or not has not been established.

We also played games on these camps, one of which was ‘Flag Raid’. There were two teams and each team had different colour wool wound round their arms and the object was to capture the flag by creeping and crawling to remain undetected. If you were caught the wool was stripped from your arm and you were ‘dead’.

We had to collect the dead wood to make our camp fire; this was not only to keep us warm but was also used for cooking our meals.

We also did night hikes into the park to the mausoleum, which was very creepy as you can imagine with a group of teenage boys. I don’ know why but I have a vivid memory of a tree, about 20 feet tall, growing out of the pointed dome roof, it was in a very poor and dilapidated condition and I am pleased that it has now been restored.

Deer culls and lime quarries

Map showing the eastern boundary of Cobham Park, the scout camp kitchen area and the deer culling area.

When I was 17, just before I joined the marines, a friend of mine, Peter Auger, invited me to be a beater for a deer cull that was going to take place. The deer were escaping from the park and getting into the arable land. I don’t know whether this was because the deer were jumping the fence or that the fence had fallen into disrepair but anyway, they were escaping. There were about six guns on the day. I didn’t enjoy seeing the deer being shot as we flushed them out so I never went back to another cull.

The above map shows where the deer cull took place.

In 1950, after I had completed my National Service with the Royal Marines the previous year, we would catch a bus to Reed Court, walk along the track to Knights Place farm, through the Darnley Estate and into Cobham where we would go into the tea shop before returning home.

Not really pertinent to Cobham but interesting local history. In 1949 I tried to get into agricultural college but there was a very long waiting list so I went to work, as a labourer, for my father in his Lime business at Bluebell Hill. Agricultural lime was very much in demand to get the soil back to fertility, quicklime, on the other hand, was an expensive commodity and despite generous government subsidies had fallen in demand. The subsidies were as high as 60% to 70% depending on the time of year. At the time the chalk had to be excavated with pick axes and it was obvious that the business needed to invest in new machinery. (See photograph below).

To illustrate the lack of Health & Safety in the workplace, to say nothing of National security, I used to visit the local gunsmiths, Sanders, who had a shop at the back of Maidstone Town Hall, in order to purchase gunpowder, detonators and fuse wire. The detonators were kept in a small tobacco tin, which also contained sawdust to keep the detonators apart so that there was no chance of any contact, which could have caused problems.

My father, the senior partner, eventually realised that the days of quicklime were coming to a close and we invested in machinery, in order to produce the more popular Agricultural Lime (which was screened & processed chalk). (Quicklime was also known as burnt lime).

In 1970 the lime workings came to an abrupt halt. The KCC needed a new by pass to solve the traffic problems occurring in the village of Bluebell Hill, their chosen route was right through the centre of our quarry and was compulsory purchased by KCC .  I was 44 years old, I had Lorries and spreading machinery, with nothing to haul or spread.

Eventually I managed to open another quarry at Detling and there I remained until my retirement in 1998.

The photograph below, although not top quality, shows myself on the right and ‘Bunny’Austen on the left, with pickaxe poised for action on the face of the chalk quarry. His nickname ‘Bunny’ was after the famous British tennis player of the mid to late 30’s.

(As told to Trevor Bent in June 2016.)

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Reg Rootes: memories of Shorne Woods

I was born in Harvel in 1928 but moved to Garden Road Cottage, Shorne in 1929 and moved to Boghurst (Boughurst is a Meopham family name) Cottage, 44 Brewers Road, Shorne, DA13 3HD in 1934. Our family was told that the cottage was formerly Lord Darnley’s Gamekeepers Lodge but I have not had this confirmed.

Woodland management

In the 1930s and 40s many of the large oak trees in the woods were felled. To fell the trees, firstly an axe was used to make a cut all the way round the trunk and then a two or four man cross saw was used to finish the job. The branches were then cut off and the trunks taken away by a team of six shire horses, as shown in the 1949 photograph below. After the woodsmen had finished work we would go and collect some of the left over branches that we used for firewood.

The Royal Engineers would have practice and training in explosives, blowing up the tree stumps that had been left in the ground, they would dig a hole under the stump, place the explosives in the hole and blow the stump out of the ground, which only left a fairly small crater.  I don’t have any idea how many they blew up but they used to come to the woods once a week to carry this out.

Coppicing was a big business, supplying chestnut fencing in three or four feet lengths. The coppicing was done every ten years or so, the cut down trees being tied into bundles of about 20, taken by lorry and stacked to season. The areas to be cut were measured in cants (I think this was the measurement but I’m not certain) and the trees on the perimeter of the area were marked with a chalk cross. In those days all the felling was done with a 6lb (2.7 kilo) axe, no such thing as a chain saw as is used today.

The timber was first cut to length, then de-barked and split into quarters to make the fence palings. De-barking was done by using a shaving brake made from branches, the longer of  which had a V shaped  end, these had to be  fixed into the ground some two to three feet apart, with the V shape at the top (see the diagram below). The timber was then laid into the shaving brake and the person had to stand at the lower end and use a draw knife to do the de-barking as shown in the diagram on the left. After the timber was de-barked, it had to be split (also called riving or cleaving) into quarters with  a cleaver and a hand made club made with timber from the wood. No further work had to be done, this was the finished paling.

The woodsman built a wooden shelter for themselves using timber from the woods to make the frame and the shavings they made from the de-barking, together with bracken, was used as the roof covering. This would be their home for the duration of the time spent working in the wood.

I spent the summer of 1937 helping the woodsmen and when the work came to an end I was presented with the princely sum of half a crown and a new three penny piece. My father was not impressed with my payment, to say the least.

My father became a woodcutter for Stanhope Fencing Company, who were based in Essex. One  of  the  woods that they were contracted to coppice  was Shorne so he didn’t have far to travel when he worked there.

RAF towers

There were two RAF radio towers that I know of, one was in the grounds just outside the eastern end of our garden of our cottage, and the other was in the woods, but like the Crows Nest I can’t remember where, although I do remember it was to the left of the Crows Nest when we went into the woods. The towers were built on a foundation of four concrete blocks about three feet square that were sunk into the ground. They were of an open wooden construction, much like an electricity pylon today, on wooden legs and were about 15 feet square at the base, 100 feet high with a five feet square platform at the top and if I remember correctly an aerial in one corner. The radio control room was in between the cottage and the road, built underground and you had to go down a few steps to get in, it was fairly narrow and just room for no more than four men to operate the radio equipment that was along one wall and from the outside all that showed was a bump in the ground that followed the curved shape of the roof. I believe that there was a similar tower in Dunkirk, that’s Dunkirk in Kent not France.

The RAF personnel, in the control room, had no water so would come to the cottage for this and in return they would occasionally give us a tin of jam or margarine or loaf of bread, you can imagine with a family of seven to feed how much this was needed and appreciated.

The radar tower in the woods was demolished after the war when the clay workings were extended. The four concrete foundation blocks (the same as the tower next to the cottage) were dug up by one of the clay works grab machines and left in the woods for years after, as far as I know they could still be there. From what I remember one of the tower was the transmitter and the other the receiver.

We saw several incendiary bombs drop and on one occasion one was quite close to the cottage so we went and put out the fire. Occasionally we heard bombs land but no explosion followed so there could still be unexploded bombs in the woods.

The army took over several houses on the east side of the woods during the war, including two houses in Pondfield Close and Big Woodlands, a house on the West side of Woodlands Lane. Fairly early in the war Big Woodlands was hit by a bomb killing two of the army personnel who were inside. After the bombing, clothing and a gas mask could be seen hanging in the trees. The council took over responsibility for the house, undertook the repairs and alterations before then letting it out as flats.

There was a bomb crater that could be seen in the woods on the left of Brewers Road as I walked home from Shorne, halfway between Woodlands Lane and Boghurst Cottage. I don’t think the alterations made when Brewers Road was altered, to run along the back of the cottage rather than the front as it used to, has made any difference to where the bomb crater is in relation to the road.

There used to be a sandpit in Shorne Common Rough, that is long since gone, where children used to play, one day three children were killed when part of it collapsed and buried them.

Leading up to D Day, 6th June 1944, a tented army camp was set up with a few soldiers arriving at the start and eventually about 200 men in 30, eight man tents in the woods next to Woodlands Lane. The Kings Own Yorkshire Light Infantry, The Royal Engineers, The Royal Artillary and the Durham Light Infantry were among the different regiments, there were others but I can’t think what they were. We used to go to the camp to ask the soldiers for cap badges and ended up with quite a collection but they have long since disappeared. There wasn’t much evidence of heavy artillery but one day we did see a truck towing a cannon.

During the hours of darkness there was a guard at each end of Woodlands Lane who issue the famous challenge ‘Who goes there friend or foe?’ we were never brave enough to say ‘foe’ just in case they shot us!

We weren’t issued with an Anderson or Morrison shelter so we dug our own air raid shelter in the garden. We dug out the clay and filled sandbags and made our shelter, we only got to use it once as we didn’t take into account drainage and what would happen if there was heavy rain, sure enough it flooded and we were faced with the table we had put in there floating and the shelter unusable.

I have included a copy of what was a restricted plan of the five RAF camps in Shorne and Cobham Woods.

After the war

I was married in 1951 when there was a shortage of council houses so in July 1952 we were allocated hut No.64b on site No. 5 in what had been the RAF camp during the war, our official address was 64b Laughing Waters (which is now called ‘Inn on the Lake’) The site that we were on was wooden huts but on the other side of the A2, in Shorne Woods, near the Laughing Waters it was Nissen huts. We had running water and electricity and toilets were a communal block shared by six families. Heating and cooking was done using the ‘Kitchener’, this was a solid wood stove with an oven on one side. We were there until May 1954 when we were transferred to our new house in Higham. The no. 23 bus stopped in Halfpence Lane at the road entrance to the site so we were able to get to work or into town fairly easily.

My father worked as a conveyor belt attendant in the clay works in the late 1950’s, one of his jobs was making sure that the belt wasn’t overloaded. The clay was slurried and pumped through the underground pipe to Bevans Cement Works in Northfleet, in addition to this some untreated clay was also taken by lorry to the cement works in Halling. Even though there were restrictions on the lights used during the war (all vehicles  and  bicycles had shades  for  their lights  so that  nothing  could be  seen from above) the clay works was still being worked throughout the night. One day one of the cranes fell into the pit and there were lengthy discussions as to whether it would be able to be rescued or not, I don’t know what the final decision was so it could still be there!

I remember the Crows Nest into the early 1950’s although it was dilapidated and no longer in any condition to be climbed.

From A. F. Allen’s book “Shorne: the history of a country village” (1987, Meresborough books).

We were always told that it was built by Lord Darnley to watch his son, Ivo Bligh, sail up the Thames on his return from Australia with the ‘Ashes’ but do not have anything to prove this statement.

It was about 10 feet square and 50 feet high and stood on a high point in the woods, exactly where I don’t know but it was probably within the area of the clay works, when it was extended so the tree that it was built round would not be there today.

(As told to Trevor Bent in November 2009.)

Hut 64

The huts were apex-roofed (unlike the curved Nissan huts elsewhere). Childless couples or small families occupied a hut partitioned down the middle, with a different family occupying each half. Bigger families had a whole hut.

The floor was covered in thick brown Congoleum and the walls were plasterboarded. Heat was given by a slow-combustion stove with a free-standing flue pipe going up through the roof. It burned wood or coal. Dead wood could be taken from the woods around – coal was delivered by Black’s of Cobham. This stove could obviously get very hot and it was a wonder some of the huts didn’t burn down by accident.

There was a sink in one corner and on the opposite wall was a Kitchener range for cooking on. This room was big enough to accommodate a table and chairs. There were two others rooms down a small corridor: one was used as a sitting room, the other as a bedroom (the door to this had the name on it of the Petty Office who presumably occupied it when it was part of the HMS Pembroke Navy base at Chatham (after it had been given up by the RAF). The rent was 8/- (eight shillings) – couldn’t remember if this was weekly or monthly – and it was collected every Tuesday by the rent collector.

The huts had no lavatory. Occupants had to use one of several lavatory blocks around the Laughing Water site. There was a six-cubicle block close to hut 64B (probably in the area of hut 71). It had no wash basins or showers. Washing had to be done back in the hut using the sink or a tin bath. The shop (in the area of Hut 7, ringed in yellow) was a general store run throughout our time there by Mr Mepham. There were no formal gardens but some people tried to cultivate the area round their huts; but the shade from thick woodland, particularly horse chestnut, meant that potatoes (for example) would grow tall vines but no potatoes! Some people did not bother to decorate their huts (as the accommodation was always intended to be ‘temporary’) but we wallpapered ours and made it look homely (floral wallper at 2/3 a roll). No recollection of lighting on the site at night other than the light which came from the huts. A number of babies were born at the camp. Andrew was born on 12th May 1954, delivered by district nurse and midwife Nurse Backhouse (from Harvel). We moved to the council estate at Higham 17 days later.

From the collection of the late Reg Rootes, who lived in Hut 64B at Ashenbank

(Recollections of Reg Rootes, who lived in hut 64B from July 1952 to May 1954.  Related, aged 87, in November 2015)

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Anita Bridger: memories of the military camps

I know that we were living in the Laughing Waters camp in 1948 as that was the year my sister Wendy was born (now Wendy Johnson) but by 1949 we had moved to the Lodge Lane camp. I don’t remember anything about life at the Laughing Waters camp except for the milk being delivered by horse and cart. The cart had the milk churns on the back and my mother had to take a jug to be filled from the churn.

The lady next door always had an apple for the horse so it used to stop there and wouldn’t move until it had been given the apple.

It is possible that we moved to Lodge Lane as I started at Cobham village school in 1949 when I was five. There were children at the school not only from Cobham but also other local villages. I can remember one girl coming from Meopham.

Our Lodge Lane hut had originally been one big room but had been divided into separate rooms by the time we moved in. There was a round black stove, with a chimney through the ceiling, in the middle of the room. My step father, mother, brother, sister and myself lived there for two years until we moved to Kitchener Avenue on Kings Farm Estate in 1951.We had electricity and water in the hut but no bathroom or hot water, we had to use the tin bath which was kept hanging on the outside wall.

I can’t remember any details of the camp or the hut but I know we had to go down a bank to the camp. I don’t think our hut was a Nissan hut, although I can’t really remember but it seemed quite a normal building. I don’t remember any roads on the camp but I think there were pathways around the huts. I would say there were more than six huts but I couldn’t estimate any nearer than that. (See note below).

I can’t say exactly where the camp was but I remember that when we walked home from school we went past the Cobham war memorial, along Lodge Lane and turned off right across a field; I do know it wasn’t as far as the Mausoleum. There used to be a blacksmith in the village so sometimes we used to sit on the gate and watch him working. I can also remember the village baker; his shop is now a house.

I don’t remember playing with any other children on the camp but I did spend a lot of time with my grandparents. They lived in a cottage in Green Farm Lane, Shorne and we would have to walk all the way from Cobham to go and see them. I remember a bomb crater near their cottage that had landed in a pile of manure causing quite a mess! There used to be ploughing matches in the surrounding fields and my grandfather won several prizes.

Two brothers lived on the camp, they had been bombed out when they lived in London and their wives had been killed. I think they must have had the first television on the camp as they used to put seats out for us so that we could watch their television. They also used to give us bags of sweets to eat while we were there.

We went into Gravesend on the bus, usually on a Saturday morning, to go the Co-op where my mother would order the weekly groceries which would be delivered to us at the camp. I can’t remember what was on ration but I remember my mother handing over coupons when she put in her order. The bus went from Cobham to Gravesend via Singlewell Road where a lady would get the bus and she always had a big bag of sweets for me.

We used to go hop picking in Halfpenny Lane, the last day of hop picking was party day and we used to get a day off school for it.

My grandfather had a POW working on the Green Field Lane farm in 1944 when I was born and over breakfast one day he remarked that I looked like an Anita and that’s how I got my name. After we moved to Palmer Avenue we used to play on the Gravesend Airfield and go into the underground rooms where we found the odd bullet or two. In the 1950’s Heinz owned the airfield and there was still an aeroplane using the airfield. It used to come in very low over Kings Farm estate and was stopped because it was thought to be too dangerous. The last building to be demolished on the airfield was the conning tower in the late 1960’s.

Note : Since this interview with Anita an aerial photograph of the Lodge Lane camp has been found that confirms Anita’s memories, although there are more huts than her estimated six! The camp was built for use of servicemen who were stationed at the Lodge Lane heavy anti-aircraft battery. The gun emplacements can clearly be seen in the photograph below.

We also have a LiDAR image of Lodge Lane heavy anti-aricraft battery (below).

Here is a photograph of the Palmer venue Coronation 1953 street party. The entrance to AEI sports ground is just past the houses on the right and Anita is on the right of the photograph in the long black coat.

(As told to Trevor Bent in September 2016.)

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